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1. Cornwall has some 700 milestones, the best collection of surviving stones in Britain and therefore the World.

2.    Cast iron fingerposts were first erected by the then new Cornwall County Council, between 1890 and 1910. Many more were erected between the wars. In 1964, the Warboys Report recommended new road signs. All fingerposts were to be replaced by large reflective aluminium boards.

3. Cornwall did not remove all its fingerposts. They are now a distinctive feature of our landscape. There is no official record of how many we have or where they are.

      4. The Milestone Society did a “Sample Survey” of three randomly chosen 10km squares. (This suggested that there may be some 550 surviving fingerposts in Cornwall, about 230 of which are early cast iron designs, the rest being later alloy fingerposts. Probably 130 have one or more broken arms in need of replacement.) We need a full, county wide survey – to celebrate the best examples and to identify those most in need of refurbishment.

5. Survey forms have been designed and tested

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Project No.2

Recording of Finger posts in Cornwall

coordinator  Andrew Langdon,  Archaeological Recorder. 

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Notes about the Fingerpost survey

After the success of the post box survey, the Federation has been asked to help survey the many cast iron fingerposts that survive throughout the county. Over the last 50 years many of these distinctive direction posts have been lost, often due to road improvements and alterations, but many also through neglect.   Several fingerposts have had their arms broken off by high sided vehicles, while others are just rusting away.  These old signposts are far superior to the large and often obtrusive aluminum signs that litter our country roads today.  During the last few years some local groups, parish councils and Old Cornwall Societies have campaigned to have their local fingerposts restored.

The aim of this survey is to identify how many of these fingerposts survive, and what condition they are in?  Do they require painting?  Have they lost arms?  It is hoped that by highlighting these defects funding can eventually be found to repair and restore them.   The Federation intends to run this survey in conjunction with the Cornwall branch of the Milestone Society and also the Historic Environment department of Cornwall Council, with the data collected being shared.

Who can take part in the survey?   Any-one can take part, either as part of a team within a society or individually.  The results can be written on recording sheets and can be collected together by your society recorder and then passed, posted or emailed to Andrew Langdon, the Federation Archaeology Recorder who will collate the results and present a report at the Federation AGM and also liase with the Milestone Society and Cornwall Council.    If an individual society wishes to retain copies of the survey, the original forms can be photocopied and a copy sent in.

Survey Forms    Please print off and fill in the survey form and provide some photographs to show the condition of the fingerpost. Where possible take a location shot, and another that shows the legend on each arm.  Further photographs may be required to show the condition of the signpost, whether arms have been broken off etc.   Please add your name, contact details and your Old Cornwall Society name.

List of Equipment required  Clip board and survey forms,  Glossary of fingerpost terminology, Camera, tape measure, map or GPS to take grid reference, magnet and high visibility jerkin if possible.

Old photographs   If you or your society has old photographs that show cast iron signposts, prior to them being damaged or removed altogether, we would appreciate a copy so that we know what was written on them and their former position.

Health and Safety:  Risk Assessment –

PLEASE READ BEFORE SURVEYING

DO NOT PUT YOURSELF OR OTHERS

AT RISK

By their very nature signposts are usually situated at road junctions, which can be dangerous places to park or stand.  Most of the surviving fingerposts are on minor or unclassified roads, however some of these can still be busy, particularly when people are travelling to and from work, and during the summer.

1     Assess the risk to yourselves and other road users before surveying or recording a fingerpost.

2     Park your vehicle in a position where you and other road users are safe.

3      Do not obstruct the highway with your vehicle, or reduce visibility for vehicles pulling out of road junctions.  If in doubt, drive further away and find a safe place to park, where you are not causing an obstruction and walk to the fingerpost.

4       If walking to the site of a fingerpost, face oncoming traffic and do not walk on the road unless necessary.  Where possible use a path, pavement or grass verge and watch out for uneven ground.

5       Make sure that you can be seen by other road users, if possible wear a high visibility jerkin.

6        When taking photographs, do not stand in the middle of the road, or with your back to the traffic. 

7         If possible survey in pairs, so that one can photograph, while the other can record and lookout for one another.

8         Some fingerposts are set up in hedges, and access to measure them may be difficult.  Do not climb hedges, if you can’t get up close to the posts, just record what you can see. 

 

Many thanks, Andrew Langdon, Federation Archaeology Recorder, 34 Dobbs Lane, Truro TR1 3NB

Tele: 01872 271382, email : aglangdon@btinternet.com

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6. We need to know where the fingerposts are. That means a grid reference as well as a good description.

7. Key features of Cornish designs are: the finial,

7. The way the arms are attached,

 

 

 

 

 

8 The shape of the arms, and occasionally, pointing hands.

9. Look for writing on the column and base.

10. It should be fun. It will get you out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

11. Take care because our roads can be dangerous

Ian Thompson

Milestone Society

26.2.11

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Above 2 Victorian boxes

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Edwardian Box

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Another Edward VII, this time a 

pedestal mounted box.

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George V post boxes have GR on them,

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 while George VI has GR with a small VI 

between the G and the R

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At sub post offices he red boxes often 

had an additional white surround.

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A selection of pillar boxes, one Victorian

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one George V 

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and one Elizabeth

 

 

This Project has now ended

 

Project No.1 coordinator  Andrew Langdon,  Archaeological Recorder. 

Recording of Post Boxes in Cornwall

 

The Federation of Old Cornwall Societies, would like our members to unite in collecting Cornish data each year on a different theme. There are many different artifacts we could record throughout the country that can be used by anyone to do further research.

We are in a far better position than most history groups and societies; as we have a network spread across the whole country and I think we should be using this to our advantage.

Several recorders have noted Victorian post boxes and now with major changes likely to the Royal Mail, I suggest a simple survey of all post boxes particularly those in rural areas should be our first project.

Notes about the Post box survey

The aim of this survey is to encourage the recording of general artifacts throughout Cornwall as a team. The Federation of Old Cornwall Societies is in a much better position than most history groups and societies, as we have a network of societies throughout the county.   We should be using this to our advantage and working together as a Federation to record historical data.

Although several societies have recorded Victorian post boxes in their area, no one has surveyed and recorded all of the post boxes in Cornwall particularly the rural ones.  It is surprising how many different types there are.  Some of the changes to detail are subtle and require a keen eye to spot the differences.          

Who can take part in the survey?   The idea is for society recorders to record the post boxes in each society’s area.  However, any-one can take part, either as part of a team within a society or individually.  The results written on recording sheets can be collected together by the society recorder and then passed, posted or emailed to Andrew Langdon, the Federation Archaeology Recorder who will collate the results and present a report at the Federation AGM.   If an individual society wishes to retain copies of the survey, the original forms can be photocopied and a copy sent in.

Phil Ellery of St Columb Society has provided the following URL's of web sites which lists every Royal Mail post box in Cornwall.

TR POSTCODE AREA http://edwardbetts.com/postboxes/TR.html

PL POSTCODE AREA http://edwardbetts.com/postboxes/PL.html

It give a basic location and Street names. Now all we need is to visit them to get a photo and record details of the boxes

Check List    Where possible take a location shot, one that shows the post box, but also shows its location, and setting.

1             The address of the post box, please state the name of the road or street, the name or number of any house it is outside of.

2             The Royal Mail Post Box number is shown on the white face plate that appears on all post boxes that are in use.  It is normally at the bottom of the plate and consists of the first part of the postal code, plus a number.  For example TR1  112.  Please note post boxes which are no longer in use and therefore particularly important to record.  They are usually painted black with the letter opening sealed up.

3             On the form please draw a circle around the type of post box you are recording, a pillar box is an upright cylindrical pillar, a pedestal box is a small post box set on a pole or steel support.  Wall mounted boxes can be either set into an existing wall or set into a brick pier or buttress.  The pole mounted post boxes are actually fixed to a telegraph pole with brackets. Circle around other and add your own note for any that do not meet the standard types.

4             The Sovereign’s symbol or motif denotes the age of the post box, whether it is Victorian, Edwardian etc., again there are many subtle differences, and not one type of Victorian box.  Add any symbol or motif if not on the recording sheet.

5             If the post box displays a crown, one can cross out either yes or no accordingly.

6             There is often a manufacturer’s name or mark on the metalwork, sometimes it is difficult to read due to layers of red paint; however some post boxes look the same but were produced by different companies.

7             Record any unusual features about the post box, sometimes the post boxes have an additional white surround and not every box was painted red.  Record any additional features added to or fixed to the post box.

8             Record any unusual positions that the post boxes are in, do they reflect a change in society, a bygone age?

9             Is the post box still in everyday use?  Cross out either yes or no.

Please add your name, contact details if you wish and your Old Cornwall Society name.

Photography: This form can be saved as a MSWord document on your computer and the form can be filled in and the image inserted and emailed, or one can fill out the form by hand and attach a photograph, either way is ok, it is the information that is important.

Health and Safety:  Although most post boxes are easily accessible, for obvious reasons, however some, particularly redundant ones can be beside busy roads.  Please take the utmost care when recording and photographing these post boxes, DO NOT STAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD TO TAKE A PHOTOGRAPH, OR PUT YOURSELF AT ANY RISK .

Many thanks, Andrew Langdon, Federation Archaeology Recorder, 34 Dobbs Lane, Truro TR1 3NB

Tele: 01872 271382, email : aglangdon[at]btinternet.com replace[at] with @

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To submit your entry on-line click to open a Word Document

Just cancel the password box if it comes up.

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White Information plate that states the post box number,

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 manufacturer's name and Monarch's symbols or motif.

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Redundant post boxes are sealed up, the white plate giving address and post details is removed and the box painted black.  These are important to record as they could be removed in the future.

“Safeguarding the past for the future”

 

 "Cuntelleugh an brewyon us gesys na vo kellys travyth"

Gather up the fragments that are left that nothing be lost.)

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